Hello, I'm Gavin Moore, I'm the CTO for EMEA and Latin America for NetApp, and I'm here in SAP headquarters in Waldorf to talk all things sustainability and data. I'm joined by Thomas, chief storyteller in SAP. Thomas, let's get into it right away. What's your story about sustainability? Nice one... One of the big problems I see when it comes to sustainability is the substance that we are talking about. Carbon dioxide is absolutely invisible, intangible. It doesn't smell, it doesn't taste, it doesn't make any sound. So it's really difficult for people to grasp. And the second big problem I see is the awareness of people. So do you know how much carbon dioxide you exhale per day, or do you know how much carbon dioxide is produced when you're deciding to leave all those 2000 monitors in stand by over the weekend in your company? So we need to get more awareness here. And one of the things that is happening right now, and you know that better than me, is the amount of data, looking at modern technologies like ChatGPT three, for example. It's a lot of computing power, a lot of data involved. And, the thing is, I don't see this amount going down. Well, data is you know, it's in any company, in any organization, it's one of the most valuable assets they have. And, it'swhere innovation comes from differentiation, competitive advantage. And, it's growing and growing as you mentioned, especially with AI, and now even more so with GenAI, it's a huge,thing. But the problem is it doesn't come for free. So at the moment, I think we predict that by 2030, 8% of all power consumption on the planet will come from data centers. And where I'm from in Ireland, it's already over 20%. Now, it's important that this innovation happens because it's going to create lots of new opportunities and so on, but it does come with the challenge of the power consumption and energy consumption and the carbon footprint, and wecan't allow that growth to be the same as the data growth. So and then can you give us an idea on how you do that. So what is smart data management powered by NetApp. So with our intelligent data infrastructure what we can do, is we allow customers to see exactly where their data is, how it's being used, and how often it's being used and so on. At the moment that is a frightening number of a 60% on average, 68% of all data in organizations is never used, consuming power, consuming energy, and it'll never, ever be used again. No one will ever look at, and so on. So it's just a complete waste of resources, power, money, everything. So what we do with our intelligent infrastructure is, we give our customers the ability to see all that data, where it is, how it's being used, and then tear that data. So the data that's not really important, that's not recent or it's not being accessed regularly, we can push that down on to a different type of storage that consumes much less power or indeed no power, depending on how the data needs to be accessed. And that, combined with the technology we have, the very efficient power technology we have, and plus our ability to really condense data down to a small amount as possible really helps us to reduce, how our customers consume power and consume energy, when managing their data. So that means you're creating the awareness, like I said at the beginning. People don't know how much carbon dioxide they're producing, and you show them, okay, here's the data, here's your unused data, here are the duplicates and all that and that gives you the insights, okay, you can take action, you can do something about. Exactly. Now, that sounds easy. It sounds like simple thing to do, and the technology it works at its very essential technology, but this is where technology isn't enough. We need sustainability to be part of the processes within any organization. It has to come from the most senior level, all the way down through the company. Sustainability shouldn't be a project. It should be absolutely the way work is done, how IT is delivered and certainly how data is managed in any organization. Absolutely. And this is what SAP does, the processes end to end in the company, and if you can give us the data about sustainability and data into our processes, we can combine this in the end. It's no longer going to be optional, theCSRD standards, the regulation that's coming out from 2027 onwards, that's going to force companies. They're going to have to actually measure all of this. They're going to have a thing called a green ledger that says, here’s all the carbon that has been used in producing all of these different things we have, And that will have to be reported. It'll have to be regulated, and companies will absolutely have to own that, from then on. And this will give us the opportunity to turn the needle, and look into a future with at as less carbon dioxide as possible. Well, exactly. And for example, we are already working together on the digital twin, which can be used as an example for batteries. So again, from 2027 onwards, all batteries are going to have, a record of all the material that was used to produce them, way before they were even manufactured, all the way through their lifetime, and very especially how they then get recycled. And that's all work, NetApp and SAP are doing, very,successfully together today. Looking forward to that. It's gonna be a great story. Thank you very much. Thanks for your time today.